tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post2517974284985368602..comments2024-03-26T12:19:52.801-04:00Comments on Tea at Trianon: Prophecies of St. Malachy, Part 2elena maria vidalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-84563612784318120952009-03-09T17:41:00.000-04:002009-03-09T17:41:00.000-04:00Thank you, Mary Rose, for your feedback. We have d...Thank you, Mary Rose, for your feedback. We have discussed this before and I do respect your thoughts on the matter. I have a dear friend whose experience was similar to your own, and I know of other people as well who were thus blessed. <BR/><BR/>Sadly, I am also personally acquainted with people who found an emotional high at Medjugorje but unfortunately the feeling was not translated into an enduring conversion, since they have behaved in ways that have given public scandal. Hopefully, such cases are isolated ones.<BR/><BR/>I hope someday it is all cleared up!elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-34421328943936397402009-03-09T17:20:00.000-04:002009-03-09T17:20:00.000-04:00I feel trepidation in saying I have been to Medugo...I feel trepidation in saying I have been to Medugorje and I received many graces there. I did not see or receive any personal revelations but I got a greater appreciation of Holy Mass and confession and really came to appreciate the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. I feel that you all are being very judgmental on those who go to Medjugorje. At every holy site one does meet people who are overwhelmed and a little over the top but I cant say I know anyone who is very enthusiastic about Medjugorje and lives an 'immoral' lifestyle. I am sure these kind of people are in all areas of church life. One has only to read the newspapers to see the scandals that exist in the clergy.<BR/>The church currently has a commission reporting on Medjugorje and I will accept what the church says on this. I dont know what image is being referred to that describes Our Lady as a peasant dressed in brown. The image of Our Lady at Medjugorje is certainly not that image. <BR/>I do accept that Medjugorje may not appeal to everybody but many people who have been lukewarm or distant from the faith have received grace that brings them into a deeper relationship with Jesus and Mary and that cant be a bad thing.<BR/><BR/>maryroseMaryrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339461206224779521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-61367349422647898602009-03-07T11:57:00.000-05:002009-03-07T11:57:00.000-05:00You are welcome and thank you, Lori-Lyn, for the b...You are welcome and thank you, Lori-Lyn, for the book recommendation!!elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-60788515793412114562009-03-07T11:52:00.000-05:002009-03-07T11:52:00.000-05:00My husband agrees with your recommendation of Birc...My husband agrees with your recommendation of Birch's book. It was recommended to him by one of our parish priests. He suggests another title, "The Last Times: Public and Private Prophecies" by Rev. Benjamin Martin Sanchez. It carries and imprimatur, etc. from 1968 and 1971.<BR/>Thanks for the enlightening information on the St. Malachy prophecies.<BR/>Lori-LynUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00564396731595783486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-69576228473116669742009-03-06T19:31:00.000-05:002009-03-06T19:31:00.000-05:00Me, too.Me, too.elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-47318384178992648102009-03-06T19:27:00.000-05:002009-03-06T19:27:00.000-05:00We are certainly at the end of an age. The revela...We are certainly at the end of an age. The revelation I most cherish and feel comfortable with is the apparitions and message of Fatima, followed by the revelations to St. Faustina and the Devotion to the Divine Mercy.Terry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09819523933502820341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-37742366600689849962009-03-06T17:47:00.000-05:002009-03-06T17:47:00.000-05:00A reader wrote in, recommending a book on the subj...A reader wrote in, recommending a book on the subject:<BR/> <BR/>La mystérieuse prophétie des papes(1951, Imprimatur 1945 by Jos. Carton de Wiart) by French Jesuit Rene Thibaut, S.J. <BR/><BR/>Fr. Thibaut, after a great deal of research, hypothesized that while the list of popes was probably not by St. Malachy, it was a genuine prophecy, although parts of it were definitely tampered with in the sixteenth century. The latter part of the prophecy was left untouched, Fr. Thibaut surmised. He did not think that the list indicated the end of the world, but the end of an age. Whatever the case, it sounds like a fascinating book, although it should be approached with great discernment.elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-49466460080242089552009-03-06T16:30:00.000-05:002009-03-06T16:30:00.000-05:00"Yet we have no way of knowing what the prophecy a..."Yet we have no way of knowing what the prophecy actually means until it comes to pass."<BR/><BR/>That is true. In the meantime, we can be reassured that all is in God's hands, while continuing to "watch in prayer" as Our Lord commands.elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-49695079430393762272009-03-06T15:56:00.000-05:002009-03-06T15:56:00.000-05:00I enjoy such speculation - it is an indulgence in ...I enjoy such speculation - it is an indulgence in curiosity and speculation which amounts to little more than entertainment. Yet we have no way of knowing what the prophecy actually means until it comes to pass.<BR/><BR/>Elena, we have known similar people all along it looks like - especially the Medjugorje types. Someone once offered to pay my way as well.Terry Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09819523933502820341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-83500906131822812452009-03-06T11:43:00.000-05:002009-03-06T11:43:00.000-05:00Thank you so much, Heidi. I am truly honored.Richa...Thank you so much, Heidi. I am truly honored.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Richard, I have heard other stories like that about Pope Benedict's election. Fascinating!elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-68444297520136947312009-03-06T10:41:00.000-05:002009-03-06T10:41:00.000-05:00After readin g all the comments I kinda got lost, ...After readin g all the comments I kinda got lost, but composing my self quickly...<BR/>I was in the VA when Cardinal Ratzinger was proclaimed Pope. I had just been tallking to some people, whose comments were mainly this, "I hope it is not Cardinal Ratzinger!" Being more aggresive then than now i reminded them It was the Holy Spirit who chose the Pope not the Cardinals, and I went further to say disist in those thought lest you anger God by your disbelief.<BR/><BR/>I told them about Saint Malachy, and I told them the Bendictines always claimed it would be a Benedictine who would preserve the Church. No sooner were those words out of my mouth then, we saw and heard... the announcement given in Latin by the senior Cardinal Deacon "Habemus Papem!". And then it was announced the new pope would be Cardinal Ratzinger and he would take the name Bendict XVI.<BR/><BR/>You could have heard a pin drop. <BR/><BR/>As for Medjugorje, I believed in ti for a short time, until my Lieutenant (a fervant Catholic man) told me what the vision looked like. Basically a peasant dressed in Brown, and one could see her feet. Queens do not dress in brown or drab colours. They are regal. Jesus would not let his mother be seen in such a way.<BR/><BR/>RichardBrantignyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01609397972340635441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-82028575446938901772009-03-06T09:55:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:55:00.000-05:00I wasn't Catholic during the 80s (I was confirmed ...I wasn't Catholic during the 80s (I was confirmed in 1994), but experienced plenty of hysteria in the Evangelical camps as well. In fact, I'd have to say that one of the strongest pulls of Catholicism was the built-in stablizer of the Magisterium. When one or the other jumps overboard, there remains a stable base of wisdom to keep us from going too far off course.<BR/><BR/>Today I'm nominating you for the "Premio Dardos" Award for excellence in writing. It will be posted at Mommy Monsters in the next few minutes. Although you hardly need awards from ME (your blog is 10x the size of mine, I'm sure!), I wanted you to know how much I admire your consistent excellence in your writing. I always learn something when I stop in here!Heidi Hess Saxtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02791510605285520649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-55510257749288975522009-03-06T09:41:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:41:00.000-05:00"The only one that isn't so vague, as you noted, i..."The only one that isn't so vague, as you noted, is Petrus Romanus. But even then, some have suggested that the position of his entry in the list doesn't necessarily mean he immediately follows "Glory of the Olive" (and some half expected the olive line to point to the election of Cardinal Martini ;-) ). It just means he's the last pope mentioned in the prophecy."<BR/><BR/>That is true, Alan; they say there may be more popes between the "Glory of the Olive" and "Peter the Roman." It is not the end of the world, just the end of the list.<BR/><BR/>I remember all the Cardinal Martini jokes that were circulating during the conclave. ;-)<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Like you, I have taken the sound advice of John of the Cross in the Ascent and Dark Night. I have nothing against pilgrimage to holy shrines for spiritual renewal, but to go running after all things supernatural is a little different. We ignore that we have Christ here with us in the Blessed Sacrament anytime, and that we are present for the greatest and most glorious miracle of all at each Holy Mass."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Well said. And if we focus on Our Lord then we will ultimately have nothing to worry about.elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-64481093765811379202009-03-06T09:27:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:27:00.000-05:00+JMJ+, I don't think it means "good" or "bad" spec...+JMJ+, I don't think it means "good" or "bad" specifically but perhaps the end of an era. Concerning the "Glory of the Olive" I have also heard that while there is the olive branch of peace, there is also the olive press of Gethsemane. <BR/><BR/>Really, Juan? I did not know that....elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-5972619512172077712009-03-06T09:24:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:24:00.000-05:00"I wearied of people using religion and apparition..."I wearied of people using religion and apparitions as an excuse for irresponsible behavior; of people running after visions and supernatural phenomena and then, as was occasionally the case, adopting immoral lifestyles"<BR/><BR/>Like you, I have taken the sound advice of John of the Cross in the Ascent and Dark Night. I have nothing against pilgrimage to holy shrines for spiritual renewal, but to go running after all things supernatural is a little different. We ignore that we have Christ here with us in the Blessed Sacrament anytime, and that we are present for the greatest and most glorious miracle of all at each Holy Mass.<BR/><BR/>I grew up in a California central coast town in which three women claimed to be Marian visionaries, one of whom was featured in national television some years ago. They were all connected to Medjugorje in some way, and they and the movements they started ended up competing with one another. I was always suspicious of their claims, but the disunity was truly the kicker for me. Yet people flocked to see them and hear them speak.Alan Phippshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12007722006477331382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-64817208612760271592009-03-06T09:18:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:18:00.000-05:00Well, it's vague in that it can have a variety of ...Well, it's vague in that it can have a variety of meanings. Being tied to a pope only encourages an interpretation that lends itself to that particular pope. I'm sure the sun rose in the East on the birthdays of a few other popes or bishops who didn't actually become pope, even if they didn't necessarily come from the East. <BR/><BR/>For me, it's interesting from a historical and literary point of view. The smaller the phrase, the more nonspecific the meaning. <BR/><BR/>The only one that isn't so vague, as you noted, is Petrus Romanus. But even then, some have suggested that the position of his entry in the list doesn't necessarily mean he immediately follows "Glory of the Olive" (and some half expected the olive line to point to the election of Cardinal <I>Martini</I> ;-) ). It just means he's the last pope mentioned in the prophecy.Alan Phippshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12007722006477331382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-32142751412456015342009-03-06T09:12:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:12:00.000-05:00Interestingly, Paul VI (Flower of Flowers) was bap...Interestingly, Paul VI (Flower of Flowers) was baptized on September 30, 1897, the very day that the "Little Flower" died in Lisieux.Juanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06886164284883963685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-82096910030646245612009-03-06T09:09:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:09:00.000-05:00Interesting, Alan, I didn't think of it that way, ...Interesting, Alan, I didn't think of it that way, although I don't necessarily see that as being vague; I see it as making the title even more applicable to JPII. Wow. I have also heard that De Labore Solis "The Toil of the Sun" may also symbolize John-Paul's world travels~ like the sun, he went all over the world. That is actually even more relevant. The title can have more than one significance, not just the eclipse thing.<BR/><BR/>BTW, there was also a solar eclipse when JPII died.elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-17645904883611531542009-03-06T09:04:00.000-05:002009-03-06T09:04:00.000-05:00I have been fascinated by the St. Malachy propheci...I have been fascinated by the St. Malachy prophecies. <BR/><BR/>When watching Cardinal Ratzinger being announced as the next Pope and taking the name Benedict I kept whispering, "Why does he want the prophecy to come true?"<BR/><BR/>According to St. Malachy, this makes him the last "good" pope, correct?<BR/><BR/>I will look up the book your suggest. :)Allisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05423794317423373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-13876336852371918702009-03-06T08:56:00.000-05:002009-03-06T08:56:00.000-05:00"There was an eclipse of the sun when Pope John Pa..."There was an eclipse of the sun when Pope John Paul II was born, and his title happens to be "Of the Solar Eclipse." People say that eclipses of the sun happen all the time. Was there an eclipse when Pope Paul VI was born? I don't think so."<BR/><BR/>The title for JPII is "De labore Solis", which need not have anything to do with an eclipse. Some have said it refers to the rising of the sun in the East, and JPII comes from Eastern Europe. This is why these are rather vague. You can squeeze a great deal into them.Alan Phippshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12007722006477331382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-58806191179642446542009-03-06T08:51:00.000-05:002009-03-06T08:51:00.000-05:00There was also Edward Conner's Prophecy for Today....There was also Edward Conner's Prophecy for Today. I actually liked it better than the Dupont book. But Desmond Birch is the most scholarly.elena maria vidalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17129629173535139807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7534539169157708222.post-58011830615954015652009-03-06T08:12:00.000-05:002009-03-06T08:12:00.000-05:00Elena, thanks for the recommendation towards Desmo...Elena, thanks for the recommendation towards Desmond Birch's book. I still find Dupont's Catholic Prophecy the most interesting one I've ever read just because it focuses on the Great Monarch, something 99.9% of Catholics have never heard of. I've had a weakness for things "great monarch" for a while now!christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04914469781753936152noreply@blogger.com